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17 August 1998
Week II begins.
Good reading on WaSP: Fighting For Standards, by Dan Shafer, editorial director of CNET Builder.com (and a member of the WaSP steering committee).
More news coverage from Brazil and a news blurb from Heise Online (De). Heise also offers a longer article in German, from expatriate American journalist David Hudson. There's an English language version as well.
Radio has begun covering the WaSP story.
InfoWorld Media Group's InfoWorld print pub listed the WaSP in an article entitled "The Web Hotlist; Web Sites worth checking out," in their Intranets & I-Commerce section, pg. 35. Their writeup on webstandards.org: "A coalition of Web designers and end-users has launched the Web Standards
Project to persuade browser vendors to adhere to common standards. The
Resources section links to information on standards, DHTML, and JavaScript." The article also praised idt.com and corbis.com.
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BROWSER STANDARDS TARGETED
by Carol Sliwa
A group calling itself The Web Standards Project debuted last week, with a charter to influence browser makers to do a better job supporting standards.
Some 450 Web developers signed on within the first few hours of the launch, according to founding member Glenn Davis, chief technology officer at Project Cool, Inc., a Web-based publisher in Palo Alto, Calif. The two major browser makers, Microsoft Corp. and Netscape Communications Corp., applauded the new group's efforts late last week but issued only "vague mutterings, nothing solid yet" in terms of meeting the group's demands, Davis said.
"The problem is, with each generation of the browser, the browser manufacturers diverge farther from standards support," Davis said.
One of the group's chief complaints is weak support for the Cascading Style Sheets 1 standard, which was designed to let Web developers attach colors and fonts to World Wide Web pages and space text more easily. Neither Netscape's nor Microsoft's 4.0 browsers fully support the standard, even though both shipped after the World Wide Web Consortium finalized the standard in December 1996.
Both Netscape group product manager Eric Byunn and Microsoft product manager David Wascha said Version 5 of their browsers will better support the standard. Internet Explorer is in beta now; Netscape's 5.0 browser is due by year's end.
The Web Standards Project also wants upcoming browsers to support Document Object Model 1 and XML 1.0.
A long piece from The Irish Times is reprinted in full below.
BROWSERS FAIL TO MAINTAIN STANDARDS
By KARLIN LILLINGTON
If you're one of those people who uses one browser at work and another
at home, you may have noticed something
odd sometimes the same Website will look completely different depending on
the browser.
For example, if you have access to both a 4.0 or higher version of the two
main browsers, Netscape Navigator and
Microsoft's Internet Explorer, have a look at Microsoft's own site
http:/www.microsoft.com. Odd, isn't it? Perhaps your
own company Website also comes in two forms.
Unless your site is very basic, with none of the dynamic add-ons that perk a
site up or make it more functional, you can
assume one of three things. First, that you have twin Websites, and which
one you see depends on what browser
you're using. Second, your (lazy) Website developers designed your site
using only the tools for one proprietary
browser Netscape's or Microsoft's and anyone looking at it with the "wrong"
browser is at best, losing some site
functionality, or worse, is looking at a jumbled mess.
The third option, like the first, is another aggravation for Website
designers. Visitors to the site get the same
experience regardless of the browser, but that's because the Web designers
have had to do some fancy technical
footwork behind the scenes to get the proprietary technologies built into
one browser to also work with its rival.
According to a new consortium of Web companies set up this week, at least 25
per cent of the cost of building
Websites for clients is tangled up in resolving the inherent
incompatibilities between the two leading browsers, wasting
millions of pounds each year.
The pressure group, called the Web Standards Project
(http:/www.webstandards.org), came out swinging against
the two browser giants, complaining that they were adding enhancements to
their browsers which did not conform to
the standards they themselves supposedly supported and indeed, had helped
create. Those standards had been
approved by the World Wide Web Consortium (http:/www.w3c.org), the global
Web body that is recognised as a key
standards creator.
In other words, the two companies are paying lip-service to the idea of
standards, and making sure they have a hand in
creating them, but then ignoring them with a cavalier disregard for the
people building the Web the developers and
designers, and those using it you.
The compatibility problem is threatening to transform the Web, but only in
the most senseless and pig-headed ways.
Either businesses end up paying for the incompatibilities through increased
Website costs and
lowest-common-denominator Websites which avoid using conflicting
technologies, or we all lose out by being inexorably
steered towards using the same browser (and much if not most technical
innovation has come from healthy
competition, not monopoly).
One solution is to create non-proprietary standards. Those are standards
which offer technical specifications that
ensure products will interlock without compatibility issues and that content
(image, music, or text) can be broadcast and
delivered without conflicts. That's been the approach of an international
organisation called MPeg, the Moving Picture
Experts Group (see related story, page 7).
The other approach is that of W3C: allow companies to create technologies
which they can submit for approval as
standards. But that approach is farcical if the companies which create the
standards not only won't conform to those
put forth by their competitors but also ignore those they created
themselves.
The Web may be a young medium but that is no excuse for browser companies to
act like spiteful children. Voice your
disapproval and add your name to the support list at the Web Standards
Project's Website.
Karlin Lillington is at klillington(at)irish-times.ie
Copyright 1998 The Irish Times, August 14, 1998, City Edition; Section: Business This Week 1; Net Results: The Web and Your Business, page 57.
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IAC-ACC-NO: 50249463 BROWSER INCOMPATIBILITIES INCREASE SITE COSTS, THREATEN TO FRAGMENTWEB
Browser Inconsistencies Add 25 Percent To Cost Of Building Web Sites
Resolving incompatibilities among browsers adds at least 25 percent to the cost of building Web sites, according to The Web Standards Project (WSP), a newly-formed international coalition of leading Web developers dedicated to promoting a worldwide standard for Web and browser design.
Calling on Microsoft, Netscape and others to live up to promises made in July 1997, the WSP (http://www.webstandards.org) is urging browser makers to fully support the standards created by the Worldwide Web Consortium (W3C) in the upcoming round of browser releases, as well as support emerging standards that are being developed. Otherwise, contends the WSP, millions of dollars will continue to be wasted each year on Web development.
"The time for proprietary innovation in Web browsers is past," says Glenn Davis, chief technology officer of Project Cool Inc. "It's time for the browsers to start fully supporting W3C core standards -- standards that Microsoft and Netscape helped develop and promised to support."
Currently, beta versions of both Netscape's Navigator 4.5 and Microsoft's Internet Explorer 5.0 are adding more proprietary enhancements without providing complete support for existing standards, WSP members say. Because the 5.0 browsers will likely become a new baseline for desktop browsers due to theirsupport for XML, the WSP believes resolving the current patchwork support for HTML, Cascading Style Sheets, Document Object Model and ECMAScript is crucial.
"Because Web developers have to build multiple versions or perform time-consuming workarounds to accommodate visitors on different browsers, most shy away from using proprietary features because of the extra costs involved," says George Olsen, design director and Web architect at 2-Lane Media in Los Angeles. "While clients may want to see these features, few of them are willing to pay for having the site built more than once."
In addition to increasing the cost of Web sites, the lack of common standards is breeding a sense of frustration among developers. "Most of my design ideas are really simple, but executing them consistently across Internet Explorer 3 & 4, as well as Navigator 3 & 4 is anything but," says Jeffrey Zeldman, a New York Web publisher/designer. "I have to engage in laborious workarounds, simply to end up with a very basic design that works."
This lack of consistent support for sophisticated presentation standards, such as Cascading Style Sheets, has its long-term effects as well, according to the WSP. Developers will focus on simpler solutions rather than concentrate on longevity.
"In the absence of standards for thesegreat technologies, we tend to create disposable content dismissively instead of sticking to a solid foundation for the long-term," says Martin Diekhoff, web applications developer for the Getty InformationInstitute.
Adds Todd Fahrner, design technologist for Studio Verso in San Francisco, "Browser makers should try to take the long view, and realize that surviving the 'browser war' won't matter much if the Web itself breaks apart. Supporting the standards might sound like an altruistic goal in a competitive market, but developers and their clients are losing patience with compromised support for baseline standards like CSS1."
"The current problem will only be further complicatedwith the rise of television-based and PDA-based Web browsers," warnsAnn Navarro, owner of WebGeek Communications, and treasurer for the HTML Writers Guild. Navarro says the WSP is also urging browser makers to participate in and support the efforts of the W3C's recently formed Mobile Access group, which will be developing standards for PDA and cell phone-based Web browsers.
14 August 1998
Stories from: Computer Currents, Fox News, XML.Com, and private mail lists including NewsBytes. International coverage from Brazil.
Upprop, a large and prominent Swedish developer's list, ran the following piece:
UPPROP MOT KLIENTKRÅNGEL Samma HTML-kod ser inte likadan ut i Internet Explorer som i
Netscape Navigator. Mot det faktum att de ledande webbklienterna
delvis är inkompatibla protesterar nu WSP (Web Standards Project).
Skillnaderna mellan webbklienterna är visserligen inte milsvida,
men tillräckligt stora för att kosta webbmakarna pengar. Den som
vill bjuda på publikdragande finesser tvingas lägga tid och möda på
att testa sin kod i flera olika miljöer. Extrakostnaden sägs uppgå
till 25 procent av priset för att bygga en webbplats. Nystartade
WSP kräver nu att Microsoft och Netscape lever upp till tidigare
löften om att till fullo stödja de standarder som W3C (Worldwide
Web Consortium) står bakom i kommande programversioner. Annars går
stora belopp till spillo helt i onödan.
http://www.webstandards.org/
AGAINST CLIENT PROBLEMS
HTML code does not look the same in Internet Explorer as in Netscape.
Against the fact that the leading webclients are partially incompatible,
WSP (Web Standards Project) are now protesting. The differences between the
webclients are not huge, but large enough to cost web producers money. The
ones who wants to offer crowd-pleasing effects is forced to spend time and
work on testing their code in several different environments. The extra
cost is said to be 25 percent of the total price of a website. The newly
founded WSP is now demanding that Microsoft and Netscape live up to earlier
promises of fully supporting the standards that W3C (Worldwide Web
Consortium) stand behind in upcoming versions of their software. Otherwise
large amounts will be spent unnecessarily.
Translated from the Swedish by
Pär Almqvist
13 August 1998
Today in the press: this
story from Computerworld. And another from CNN.
The WaSP story made Builder.com's Builder Beat column.
International coverage continues with mentions from Chat Kaphi, France's Les Echos, Denmark's Webworld, Brazil's Info Exame, and Infoworld, The Netherlands.
More good stuff from IDG/Brazil. (Formerly at www.idgnow.com.br/inet1308b.htm, the story is now offline.)
And we got a nice nod of support from Terrabyte Communications in Australia.
12 August 1998
We made the late edition of The Wall Street Journal. They said, in part:
IS YOUR COMPANY A CASUALTY of the browser wars? A group of angry Web
developers claims Microsoft Corp. and Netcape Communications Corp. are
adding as much as 25% to the cost of the average Web site. The culprit:
proprietary quirks in the two browsers that require programmers to spend
hours tinkering to ensure a site will function properly regardless of
whether it's viewed with Microsoft's or Netscape's browser.
Multimedia Workshop has picked up the story.
PC World talks up WaSP in their "Browser Beefs" article.
Medströms Dataförlag, a Swedish computer magazine company, covered WaSP in their mail list, "Uppsnappat" (46,293 subscribers). They said:
UPPROP MOT KLIENTKRÅNGEL
Samma HTML-kod ser inte likadan ut i Internet Explorer som i
Netscape Navigator. Mot det faktum att de ledande webbklienterna
delvis är inkompatibla protesterar nu WSP (Web Standards Project).
Skillnaderna mellan webbklienterna är visserligen inte milsvida,
men tillräckligt stora för att kosta webbmakarna pengar. Den som
vill bjuda på publikdragande finesser tvingas lägga tid och möda på
att testa sin kod i flera olika miljöer. Extrakostnaden sägs uppgå
till 25 procent av priset för att bygga en webbplats. Nystartade
WSP kräver nu att Microsoft och Netscape lever upp till tidigare
löften om att till fullo stödja de standarder som W3C (Worldwide
Web Consortium) står bakom i kommande programversioner. Annars går
stora belopp till spillo helt i onödan.
11 August 1998
Day two. Excite added us to Netscape's What's New page. PC Watch is watching us, and we've gotten more press from France and Japan.
A second Japanese article has also picked up on the story. There's more Brazilian coverage as well.
10 August 1998
Our official launch. Opera software, makers of the Opera web
browser, have just announced their complete support for our efforts.
Today's Wired News has a feature story on the Web Standards Project.
C|Net covered the story, though they initially listed the group's name as the "Web Standards Consortium." (This was later corrected.) The story was then picked up by abcnews.com.
Nate Zelnick's manifesto, Developers of the Web, Unite!, appeared in the 10 August issue of Internet World. Nate Zelnick is a member of the WSP Steering Commitee.
More good press from Denamrk. (Formerly at www.cybercity.dk/dynait/9808/980810/98081007.html, the article is now offline.)
Some press in English from XML News.
Yahoo Newswire picked up the story. (Formerly at biz.yahoo.com/prnews/980810/ca_web_sta_1.html, the article is now offline.)
ZDNet provided nice, brief coverage, and pointed to their Web Interoperability Pledge as testament to the fact that they share our goals.
David J. Eisenberg published a compelling personal assessment of our goals on his site.
The Japanese press chimed in late this evening. So did the Brazilian press.
9 August 1998
An Israeli article mentions Microsoft, Netscape, and WaSP. More foreign press comes from Denmark and the Czech Republic.
8 August 1998
In The Mercury News: a brief paragraph at the top of Good Morning Silicon Valley:
Web developers push
for browser standard
A group of Web developers is urging the top browser
makers to make their software comply with existing
Web standards, which should make Web
development cheaper and faster. Because the leading
browsers behave differently, developers must often
build several different versions of a site so that every
visitor can use it. ''Web development costs are 25
percent greater than necessary because of all the
different work-arounds we've got to build for
different browsers,'' said Glenn Davis, a Web
developer and member of the coalition.
7 August 1998
Our first international mention, from digi.no/bedrift, three days prior to official launch. Now if we could only translate it . . .
Informatics Research Center came out in support of WaSP today, saying:
The development of true cross-browser standards would allow the Informatics Research Center to develop web applications which could confidently be deployed on all browsers. Cross-browser standards would allow every developer to utilize the latest technology with out having to create a plethora of different versions for all of the various browsers available today, thus minimizing development time and costs.
Scripting.com linked to us on and Jeff Veen informed us that Hotwired is preparing a story.
More international coverage, from the land of Ingmar Bergman: Pagina Online ran a feature in which they said:
PROTESTER MOT SKILLNADER MELLAN WEBBLÄSARE
En grupp webbdesigners har grundat en förening för att protestera mot
skillnader mellan webbläsarna från Netscape och Microsoft. Skillnaderna gör
att, för att nyttja möjligheterna fullt ut så krävs två olika uppsättningar av
en webbplats, vilket fördyrar ca 25%. Sammanslutningen vill förmå dessa båda
konkurrenter att enas för en standard. Det finns även en supportlista som man
kan skriva på.
Translation:
A group of web designers have founded an association to protest against the differences between the web browsers from Netscape and Microsoft. The differences require two different versions of a website, which makes projects 25% more expensive. The group will try to make these challenging companies agree to one standard. There is also a support list that you can sign.
6 August 1998
The Industry Standard ran a sneak preview article four days before our official launch.
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